As New York City population continues to grow, upstate cities continue to see population loss

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As New York City population continues to grow, upstate cities continue to see population loss

By DAVID DELLECESE

The streets are getting a lot less crowded in the Mohawk Valley as it faces a continual loss of population.

A recent U.S. Census Bureau report shows that while New York City is getting bigger, even the largest of cities in upstate New York are getting smaller.

New York City's population grew by 23,960 just in the year from July 2006 to July 2007 alone.

In the meantime, between 2000 and 2007, the cities of Utica and Rome lost a combined total of roughly 3,000 residents.

These numbers reflect what's seen as a long-term trend of population losses in upstate regions, as jobs become more scarce and people tend to settle elsewhere.

Oneida County Executive Anthony Picente says that the last decade had seen a great loss of manufacturing and other industries such as at Griffiss Air Force Base, and says that it's bee a slow recovery in this decade.

However, he says that the population is not being lost as greatly as it was in the past, and that the population is actually starting to stabilize.

And while the numbers may not be exactly where they'd like it, Picente says business in the realms of technology, insurance, and economic crime fighting, have the potential to bring those numbers back up.

"The jobs that you can find in the bigger cities are here at a better value," Picente said. "Because the cost of living is better the quality of life is here. You can get to those big cities from here relatively easy and still come back here and have events like the Boilermaker, the Stanley Theatre, and Munson Williams Proctor, the various quality of life issues - skiing, biking, golfing - all the quality of life is here. And again, at a better price."

And these dwindling numbers are not isolated to the Utica-Rome area, as the scenario has been pretty much the same across the upstate region, with Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester, and Albany, all seeing similar losses. In fact, only Waterville saw a population increase...and that was only by about a dozen or so residents.

Sunday, Jul 13 at 2:55 PM RE: Bad Driver wrote ...

So much hostility!! Do you drive with the same mentality?

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Saturday, Jul 12 at 9:20 AM Bad Driver wrote ...

I will reurn as soon as you move out of your mothers house so we can sell it.Love Dad!

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Friday, Jul 11 at 4:37 PM Re: Bad Drivers wrote ...

trailer parks are one lane? I didn't know that, but youy seem to be an expert..go back to nyc..

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Friday, Jul 11 at 1:02 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Bull Brother should be ashamed of themselves. The residents in this valley have kept them in business, and what do they do, charge us with some of the highest gas prices in the country. I never buy from them anymore, and more people should try not to. As far as our state government, I believe the system is very corrupt. It's all about more money and power for our state officials. State Ed alone can easily be compared to the Nazi regime. Governor Patterson should look at the his corruption.

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Friday, Jul 11 at 12:25 PM Bad Drivers wrote ...

Yes, I have live in the "CITY" and it wasnt Utica. Drive in NYC or the L.I.E. just about anytime of the day to see traffic. Just because you dont have a on-line OTB account and have to drive doesnt mean the traffic is bad up here! Oh wait trailer parks are one lane..sorry.

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Friday, Jul 11 at 10:35 AM CANT WAIT TO LEAVE wrote ...

Are you kidding me i guess you have never driven in a real city have you? I have lived here my whole life and utica traffic is by far busy. As for staying here i wish i had left when i was younger and never looked back. For all you young educated people GET OUT AND DONT LOOK BACK you will thank me in 20 years

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Friday, Jul 11 at 10:32 AM Re:Yea right wrote ...

Yes when given no choice and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It was probably you I had to cut off becuz you wouldn't let me in...You seem like you'd have that type of attitude...But that's typical utica for you.

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Friday, Jul 11 at 9:09 AM Came back wrote ...

I left in 1982 and came back in 1999. It had nothing to do with the jobs,goverment etc. I came back for the natural beauty of the area!Yes the goverment in Utica and alot of the area is WAY out of touch but so it goes. I can get in my car and drive about one hour and be in the most beautiful area in the world. I thank god that the Adirondak Mtns are so close to Utica. If they weren't I too would be leaving!

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Friday, Jul 11 at 8:13 AM a person that left wrote ...

I am one of the individuals that left Utica after graduating from Utica College I made every effort to make a living upstate but it is just impossible. With Utica Salaries you are living from paycheck to paycheck and i did not go to school to live my life like that. Especially with school loans and cost of UC tuition there is no way a person can live comfortably in Utica. I now live in NYC and regret not moving much earlier.

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Friday, Jul 11 at 8:06 AM questions wrote ...

Does anyone know what Picent is talking about when he mentions "business in the realms of technology, insurance, and economic crime". Are these the potential employers moving in the area???

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Friday, Jul 11 at 5:46 AM Anonymous wrote ...

I lived in Utica all my life. Retired in 2007 first thing on agenda was to move the hell out of New York Tax. Pay a lot less now and NO SNOW.

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Friday, Jul 11 at 12:16 AM BigMac wrote ...

I too moved away from the area several years ago due to downsizing and am glad i did. I now live in NW Georgia. The people are much nicer, gas is $3.86 per gallon, taxes are low and the weather is alot better than up there. My car has nothing on the windshield,ie: registattion sticker, no inspection sticker and no emissionsticker.There is way too much beauracracy up there and they tax and tax to pay for it all. The politicians haven't done anything to improve or promote the CNY area in decades.

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 9:31 PM anonymous wrote ...

I don't blame youg people to leave. My son left this area 9 years ago when he went into the army. Was stationed in Texas, stayed there got a great paying job he likes. He wouldn't have gotten that here. And whenhe comes for a visit, he tells me to go back with him. If it wan't for the fact that he comes to see family, he would never come back.

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 4:44 PM Yea right wrote ...

Ok, you know how to drive but cut people off to get on the ramp !

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 4:28 PM anonymous wrote ...

how is it that everyone seems to dislike the people in charge yet they get re elected time and time again?

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 3:58 PM enough wrote ...

this will not change unless the people in office get voted out.They keep getting elected time after time and do nothing to change this. Stop listening to their bull and vote them out!

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 3:58 PM re: are you kidding wrote ...

I don't know where you drive but I drive that route everyday and it is crazy..and crowded. Most times I have to cut people off to get off the ramp..But again it depends on the time of day. And I just wanted to add, the fact that I think it's crowded has nothing to do with my driving ability thank you very much.

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 3:32 PM Are you kidding wrote ...

Yes the 10 cars on the arterial at rush hour ..........good god, learn how to drive!I am glad that people are leaving, soon it will be police,state workers(prison,etc)Turning stone employees,teachers and welfare people,but our Mayor has a clean new office!

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 3:30 PM Girard A. Plante wrote ...

The exodus of citizens is not new. The handwriting was on the wall before the region lost Griffiss Air Force Base in 1995. Griffiss took 10 percent of the population of Oneida County, along with its $700 million annual budget, to New Jersey. No community replaces those enormous losses in people and monetary capital. Toss out the majority of the entrenched New York State Legislature, which over the past 30 years has not served citizens well in economically depressed communities Upstate!

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 3:27 PM Truth Sayer wrote ...

Who is leaving? People who work, who have values, people with families. Who is left? Elderly people who aren't able to pull up roots so easily, welfare mothers, crack heads and drug dealers---who wants to stay in an environment like that when you can move somewhere else and make more money..........of course, once you settle in you will realize that all of the above scourges are EVERYWHERE--what a shame that they had to find their way into the beautiful Central NY area. ;o(

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 3:06 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Look at the price of gas...tell me there's not a monoply going on here...the Bull Bros have to be living on easy street while the rest of us is just making do....Ilion, Frankfot, Mohawk and Herkimer..our gas is the highest around. And then there's good ole NYS who taxes us to death. Can't wait to leave this are and never coming back......

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 2:11 PM John wrote ...

This is why people are leaving the area: there is nothing to do, nothing for kids to do, the few jobs that are available are being filled by refugees, the taxes are way to high, g&e is too high, any programs to 'help' are being utilized by refugees leaving nothing for us. My family too is leaving the area.

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Thursday, Jul 10 at 1:51 PM anonymous wrote ...

the streets are getting less crowded? are you kidding me? do the people who write these articles even live here? try driving on the arterial or on commercial drive...it's always nuts during the day..

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