Long lines, limited staff, create explosive situations at Social Services Department

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By JOLEEN FERRIS

UTICA, N.Y. (WKTV) - Two Utica women are under arrest for getting into a brawl over who was going to be first in line for temporary assistance at the Oneida County Social Services Department. It happened Tuesday morning at the county office building.

One woman, Michelle Schipper, says she, her daughter and baby granddaughter were waiting in line in the freezing cold outside the Oneida County Office Building from around 6:30 in the morning in hopes of being seen today. She says they weren't alone, and that when security finally opened the building, it was chaos.

"As soon as the doors opened up at 8:30 everybody started rushing into the doors. I turned around to make sure my granddaughter and my daughter's OK and a girl punched me in the face; I'm standing there and I'm stunned," Schipper said.

Oneida County Social Services Commissioner Lucille Soldato says the office sees up to 700 walk-ins every week.

She is aware that people do line up outside the County Office Building by 8 a.m. in order to get a coveted interview slot at social services.

But she points out that emergencies are taken care of first, and people who don't have an emergency, such as lack of heat, shelter or food, might be asked to return the next day.

Commissioner Soldato says her office is exploring ways to accomodate more people each day.

"We're hoping to maybe go back to a different system where the person who interviews you then processes your case. If we make that change then it's possible we may be able to take another 5-6 interviews a day," says Soldato.

Soldato is also considering setting up a help desk for people who just need information.

Michelle Schipper and another woman, Ijeoma Isu, were arrested for disorderly conduct and issued appearance tickets for Utica City Court on December 2nd.

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Thursday, Nov 20 at 11:19 AM interesting wrote ...

that some of those crying poverty and poor have a computer to post this stuff...

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Thursday, Nov 20 at 10:23 AM Sad, sad, sad wrote ...

Can I say SAD any louder? How very pathetic that we have not evolved as human beings and must revert to animal behaviors when we are desperate. It's almost like the stores at Christmas...it's supposed to be a time of joy and happiness, and people are swearing and shoving and pushing to get what they want. Sad. That's what we are. I feel so badly for th workers there, underpaid and dealing with that sort of thing everyday. But, at least they are working for their money.

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Thursday, Nov 20 at 6:41 AM Anonymous wrote ...

People move to our area/state just for the handouts...not jobs. a family of 4 in our town; mom, dad, g'ma, and kid...no one works, but 2 brand new cars, take out food 5/7 nights, computers, video games...God Bless the USA and NY State!!! Have to get ready for work now.....

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Thursday, Nov 20 at 12:02 AM A Republican wrote ...

Don't worry, be happy.....President-elect Obama will have the answer to all of your problems. Just mail all of your gas and electric bills to him and ...poof! They'll magically be paid for!

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 8:22 PM hmmm wrote ...

I lost my job due to an illness and cant work at all and i still cant get help i do get ssi just started to get it but its still not enough i have to pay my rent food and other bills on only 700.00 a month i am an single parent also with no help as there other parent is gone and no place to be found but all the drug people and lazy people can get the money and live the high life when they are just plain scum

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 7:22 PM One who knows... wrote ...

I once lost my job and quickly became homeless. I used to complain about the "Welfare scumbags" too. Then I needed assistance myself...quite a humbling experience. The OCDSS workers did the best they could to get my case open and get me out of the shelter while I looked for work every day. At all times they were courteous and kind to me...perhaps because I was courteous and kind to them. Thank you God for knocking this "Welfare scumbag" down a peg. Love your neighbor.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 5:41 PM hardworking american wrote ...

I say let them wait in the cold..why make it easy for them to get free money..maybe, if given the choice between frutilessly standing in the cold and anctually finding a job..they'll choose the latter option...

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 5:28 PM Sick of it wrote ...

With the economy the way it is, and all of the jobs getting cut, there will eventually be so many people who need handouts and not enough people working to support the system. Handouts should be given to actual disabled people and those that are working but can't make ends meet. BUT instead any low life, drug addicted, lazy person is given benefits. I know people on welfare and I find it a joke. New trucks, new computers, cell phones, etc. I work and I don't have that stuff.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 4:46 PM I just dont understand .. wrote ...

that there is so many people that gets help I became sick awhile ago and was unable to work and i cant get any help at all they say i make to much on ssi but then you have all these people on welfare that can go and get a job and wont and for the ones who has worked and worked and then one day something happens and no longer can work its hell for us people i have tried to work but cant all i get a one check a month to live off of with no other help but these scums can get it

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 4:30 PM Mohawk mom of 2 wrote ...

This woman should be arrested for child endangerment, having those 2 little out that early in the morning in the welfare line! This is bull! Welfare will pay for child care lady while you get your @#$ out and get a job. I am so sick of paying for these people!!

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 3:03 PM Amused wrote ...

Ah...maybe they should be standing in line to be sterilzed instead of for free handouts! Let's see...Grandma's 37 so the daughter must be a teenie bopper and the granddaughter. Hello? That's three generations right there! It's not going to stop unless everyone on welfare is forced to be sterlized. It isn't fair to US that work and pay taxes just to have it handed out to a bunch of lazy, baby making people! If you can't afford to support yourself you shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 2:40 PM JPIB wrote ...

Unfortunately our Social system is broke: Social/Welfare System was designed for those in need; many 3rd-4th generation welfare recips believe they are entitled and expect it; they learned well! -There is no incentive for many to work, so this encourages handouts. Therefore the deserving get discriminated against. -DSS rewards procreation-more kids, more money. -Drugs are a big part, positive recipients should be disqualified. -DSS short staffing is a poor excuse; work smarter and eff.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 2:26 PM the system wrote ...

have a family memeber who lives off of the system...lives for "free" in those municiple housing homes works when she feels like it and for some unknown reason, gets welfare...has a truck and 5 kids and lives rent free tell me why does the system let this happen?? by the way she smokes blunts all day long never takes care of her kids but, has been on welfare all of her life

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 1:50 PM Beenthere seen that wrote ...

This is the news making a case for the DSS workers contract. Thats the only reason it is news now. It has been going on for YEARS.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 1:20 PM stunned wrote ...

First of all, why don't we start making these people take drug tests to make sure that "our" hard earned tax money isn't going for drugs and what not! If they test positive they should be spared the free assistance that they get. Don't get me wrong, I believe in helping out someone when they are down, but these are REPEAT offenders...They get free health insurance,heap,food stamps, and oh my gosh!! they can afford the internet too!!God bless America!!

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 11:04 AM another excuse wrote ...

The headline implies there is an excuse for starting a fight when normal people would simply get in line and be polite to each other.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 10:33 AM Unbelievable wrote ...

Just how old is her daughter anyways? The mother is 37 and she already has a granddaughter?

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 10:28 AM reflection wrote ...

I don't think its fair to generalize about families who need TA saying they are lazy and need to get a job. Some REALLY DO need help due to job loss or difficult family situations. And as far as the County Workers go. They have their orders from their superiors. And some of these workers have been hardened by those clients who would take advantage of the system and have in the past. Sadly, when someone who REALLY needs help comes before them, they get the same reception as those who do not.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 10:08 AM whatever wrote ...

The problem with getting a job is that it is more condusive to have the benefits of being on welfare than it is to get a job that pays minimum wage. Meaning, you have more $$ and benefits if you stay on welfare. And by the way have you seen the booming jobs in Utica????

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 9:34 AM Jose Cuervo wrote ...

Man it must be a real pain to have to wait in the cold for a hand out. Here is an idea - take that two hours you spent waiting outside in the cold and apply it to getting a job. If people spent half the energy they use getting free stuff to find a job we would not have these issues.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 9:16 AM Don't worry wrote ...

I am at work today, so these people will all get their checks...Maybe they should send me a christmas card for everything I do for them

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 8:39 AM Please tell me this was written incorrectly! wrote ...

Did they really say, "people who don't have an emergency, such as lack of heat, shelter or food, might be asked to return the next day." The temperature was in the teens this morning for crying out loud. No heat or shelter is an emergency in my book. Maybe they should clarify what an emergency is?

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 7:50 AM no name wrote ...

This county should be Ashamed..they only allocate appts. for 10 non-emergencies a day- that is why ppl. wait very early in line outside to be the first ones served, to get that sacred ticket for an appt..Understaffed- nah, just mismanaged..other counties have "generic" workers who handle clients from interview to the actual opening of the case..And, they serve ALL who walk in- whether an emergency or not..Social services needs a very good overhaul.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 6:36 AM Anonymous wrote ...

This is too bad, I feel sorry for that little kid to have to be put through this. Why can't they open earlier? Unfortunately, this is only the beginning of things to come. Shades of the lines during the Depression.

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 6:29 AM huh wrote ...

Why didn't the daughter stay home with the granddaughter, or is she going to be another generation raised on welfare? Grandma and the daughter should be working, not inline for free handouts!

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Wednesday, Nov 19 at 1:50 AM b.s. wrote ...

stop living off the system and go get a job doing something.

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 11:27 PM Amazed wrote ...

If they spent that much time in line looking for a job, perhaps they wouldn't have to wait for welfare. I'm so tired of people EXPECTING a handout over and over again. I understand there are people who need assistance & I think they should receive temporary help but if you need to fight over first place in line, then something is wrong with you!

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 10:57 PM You know.... wrote ...

You know times are tough when people start fighting over who's gonna be first in line for welfare. Must of heard about the state budget.

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 10:25 PM still waiting& Waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote ...

The story you are being told is one huge cover up on the part of the county and all of its higher levels of managment. I was hurt 10 years ago in a hit and run acc'd after selling and useing all of my money and savings,I have applied for TA and Health Care.That was in July of this year. 23 trips to sign or give papers to the sso and now I have made 23 phone calls as of today. Still no help,no one even has the time to call back and at least let me know where I stand. If U worked like this goodbye

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 10:08 PM Anonymous wrote ...

I figured it would be more immigrants brawling over free money. Sure wish I could get free money for sitting around and drinking all day instead of working 70 hours a week supporting them with my taxes. I need a break. Where do I sign up again??

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 9:52 PM Good potential revenue! wrote ...

These people need to be thoroughly investigated, surveilled, and monitored, and their friends, relatives and neighbors notified for the remainder their natural lifetime concerning their being “not right” and Dangerousness! These people are possibly influenced by environmental variables, but then again, it is more likely it’s “Just The Way They Were Raised”! "Very Dangerous!"

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 8:22 PM regardless... wrote ...

That's no excuse to get violent though. ESPECIALLY in front of children.

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 8:12 PM Harley wrote ...

Maybe they should get out of bed that early and line up for jobs at burger king or mcdonalds they always have opening. But hey its the USA we give free money away to anyone who doesnt want to work for a living

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 7:35 PM Joan wrote ...

It's a shame that families with small children feel the need to wait outside the locked doors of the "peoples" building in freezing weather.There has to be a better way for people to get assistance in our county. How about setting up appointments by phone; and having one appointment schedule for emergencies, and another for non emergency clients? This is no way to serve the people. It doesn't matter what the county workers are paid, they have a job to do; and I'm sure they will do it kindly.

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 7:08 PM Nana wrote ...

This is ridiculous! Why should these poor people have to stand outside in a line especially in cold weather to begin with? Why can't Social Services allow people INSIDE the building during the Winter months to wait until "opening time"? Also, why can't these lazy caseworkers work faster and see more clients - they only "allow" just a small number to wait for a caseworker to talk with them before they tell everyone else to go home and return tomorrow. And Picente wanted raises for casewokers!

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Tuesday, Nov 18 at 6:37 PM disgusting wrote ...

make them find a JOB!!!

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